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He also seemed to imply that each time a central bank was confronted with their fraud and when presidents attempted to intervene, they would conveniently wind up assassinated. While history may not bear that out in every case cited, it would be foolish to believe for a second, that those in power will allow someone to dismantle a carefully orchestrated plan to fleece millions of their wealth and perpetuate an unending treadmill of slavery and servitude without extreme resistance.
In other words, if Ron Paul were elected and made any progress with ending the Fed, there would be little doubt that media would be announcing another presidential obituary. The Fed would go on as if nothing had happened, and another figurehead would reside at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
This gets to the meat of my post- We must have a plan to end the Fed without a president, or a legislature, or the judiciary on our side. We have to do it on our own.
What the Fed has is the illusion of legality and legitimacy, With this, they have the full force of the United States Code of Federal Regulations, the Treasury Department, the courts, and unlimited legal resources to enforce their hegemony and stamp out efforts to circumvent their monopolistic, monolithic system.
With the deck stacked against us, what can we do?
The answer is very simple, in my view... Stop participating.
The system counts on our willingness to accept and trade in dirty green pieces of paper and our complacency in accepting abusive usury for the privilege of taking up space in a ledger entry. If you don't participate in their system, they lose their ability to milk their cattle and fleece their sheep. It also may break the system with uncontrollable inflation.
Making Constitutional Money the Goal...
Marketing is in part what made the Liberty Dollar successful. They also had a merchant handbook and other literature that one would do well to imitate - It would need to be developed along with other POP materials, so the concept and goals can be explained in a brief, easy to digest format.
The problem with these extra materials is that this adds cost to a project which the LD was able to recoup in seigniorage. This made the cost of the LD greater than a typical bullion round and the added cost was used to put LD in a negative light (ie: being called a rip-off, sold at nearly double spot price). In order to provide this kind of advertising support, the cost of making and distributing this stuff would either need to be donated or paid for by the merchants or program members.
LD also made a couple of mistakes; 1) their money was not strictly constitutional. It's value was pinned to the FRN through the spot price of silver and was never a fixed amount of silver. 2) Their medallions were, according to the government too similar to the coinage produced by the United States Mint.
Using legal tender coinage makes it nearly turn-key alternative currency since there is no manufacturing involved- but this creates some things to think about-
Like;
By using pre-1964 silver coins, which are legal tender, you do not get into the same snare as the LD did. The problem executing this though is two-fold. First, since the minting hasn't changed significantly in the past 45 years, it would be easy to mix up the 90% silver with the cupro-nickel slugs coined today. Second, it would be challenging to re-establish the perception of honest values by offering constitutional dollar denominated compensation.
For instance; Buying a sandwich and beverage at a local eatery they would ring you up for $11.50 in FRN. Imagine what an affront it would be to place $.45 in face value silver on the counter. Or buying gas at $3.85 FRN a gallon and offering $.15 face value silver per gallon.
Technically, this also reduces the taxable event of every transaction, but the IRS has already made it clear that they don't agree. This would require businesses to either accept the coins at their market value or claim the capital gains on the silver that are accepted at face value when you 'sell' the silver for FRN. This extra step is a deal breaker for most businesses, including the power company.
I know the bank money will fail and it doesn't need a concerted effort to use silver as money to bring it down. But once it does fail, it will only be replaced with something worse absent any real alternative. Creating a separate medium of exchange could be a fail-safe, at least at the community level, that hyperinflation or a monetary devaluation doesn't rob us all blind.
While it is always good to discuss history, theory, and compare monetary philosophies, our founders came to a point where practical application was essential for change. All I am asking is if there is any practical application for us to begin using silver as money and how we might take on this challenge against debt money. Any thoughts on that concept?
One person doing these things will not have any effect. Repeated in sufficient numbers and frequency, I think it could change things. Maybe not nationally, but at least at the community level. I open the floor to debate and strategies to make this possible.
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@Mark Twain- You know if you're going to put up pictures of criminals, you should probably include every congressman, judge and president who swore an oath to support and defend the constitution and took no action and said nothing to stop this robbery since 1913.
That being said, anyone who would like to explore creating a program to restore silver as money (not a exchange commodity) should drop me a PM through the forum.
Comment by Mark Twain on September 2, 2011 at 1:05am
Comment by Phillip J. Barker on August 31, 2011 at 11:47am
Comment by Phillip J. Barker on August 30, 2011 at 11:34pm @ Mark Twain - This illustrates the reason why legal tender silver coins would be a good choice as a ready made alternative currency. Since they were coined by the U.S. Mint, there is no way to construe that anyone would be passing or uttering a counterfeit.
The Coin World story reveals something very important about the government's motives. The Liberty Dollar medallions under every other circumstance would be nothing more than a very pretty bullion round or a collector's numismatic curiosity. But- they are being treated as if they are an active threat that must be nullified by seizure.
Why?
I suspect that the idea of silver as money is just that dangerous to the Federal Reserve, that seizure is as justified to them now as it was when FDR signed the executive order to seize the gold under threat of fine and prison in 1933.(Which inspires me to pursue this strategy even more.)
Comment by Mark Twain on August 30, 2011 at 8:26pm Kurt Nimmo
Infowars.com
August 30, 2011
Coin World reports that the feds are looking to seize liberty dollars from collectors and those using the coins instead of inflation-ridden Federal Reserve notes.

Officials with the U.S. Attorney’s Office said on August 24 that the coins are contraband. The Secret Service, the federal agency responsible for confiscating counterfeit money, did not provide any definitive comments concerning under what circumstances Liberty Dollars would be seized, according to Paul Gikes of Coin World.
The coins are illegal even if they are not used for barter, the feds insist. Jill Rose, chief of the August 24 that the Liberty Dollar medallions are confiscable as contraband if they are being exhibited for educational purposes or held privately.
Rose was the lead prosecutor in the Bernard von NotHaus case. Von NotHaus is the creator of the Liberty Dollar. He was convicted by the feds in March on multiple charges involving the alternative currency that competes with fiat money distributed by the privately owned Federal Reserve. During the trial it was determined that Liberty Dollars are counterfeits, contraband and subject to seizure.
Von NotHaus was convicted by a jury after the feds successfully argued that Liberty coins are counterfeits because they include the words “Trust in God,” similar to the words “In God We Trust” on Federal Reserve coins. He faces up to 15 years in jail, a $250,000 fine, and may be forced to give $7 million worth of minted coins and precious metals – weighing 16,000 pounds – to the government.
The prosecution and conviction of von NotHaus was politically motivated. He is the founder of NORFED, the National Organization for the Repeal of the Federal Re
Comment by Ta Tonka on August 30, 2011 at 3:56pm Good stuff guys
we have to think in these terms because we can't count on Ron Paul to save the day we must count on ourselfs
Comment by Mark Twain on August 30, 2011 at 11:27am although i am still proccessing all the info of the comments (which is awesome), i know the coins i bought from the liberty dollar were .999 Silver (never got my coins i bought 3 months before the Fed Seized all of his assets)one of the things i think made the LD go over so well was the loose nit network of shops
willing to participate We need to do something like this , what i mean is someone should draw up a sticker & for those business who are interested they just stick in the window kinda like we except visa/mastcard etc et..
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