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Permalink Reply by Rally Sally on July 4, 2012 at 9:07am

Hear-Hear Kinana!  (Can you hear the tapping of the canes?  That's what they did in 1776 in congress when they agreed with a speaker!)  I love your hopeful outlook-- it's hard to "see the future" from the murky present.  Sometimes it takes almost losing something to realize how important it really is.  If we don't give up We. Will. Win!

Permalink Reply by Wright Winger on July 4, 2012 at 9:22am

"Kinana"....   in the above post there is the line from you... "Though the Twin Towers were destroyed, the twin pillars of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights shall not crumble".

Most people make the mistake of mentioning the twin towers when actually three towers came down in NY that fateful day.... 9/11/2001. (2 planes crashed, 3 skyscrapers came down, amazing isn't it?). Since that day, the "pillars" you mention (the Constitution and the Bill of Rights) have been DECIMATED largely by the neoconservatives in this country. A brief rundown includes the Patriot Act, DHS, TSA, NDAA, HR 658 to mention but a few of these outrageous abuses. These measures have put America on the fast track to tyranny (in the name of fighting terrorism) and the further implementation of global government (enslavement).

Speaking for myself, I cannot celebrate today knowing the peril this Republic is in. For me, it is a day of reflection and resolve... not BBQ's and fireworks. 

 

Permalink Reply by Concerned Grandmother on July 4, 2012 at 10:05am

You are historically correct; however, in addition to a day of reflection and resolve let us celebrate.  We celebrate the Fourth of July because on July 4th, 1776 the First Continental Congress ratified the Declaration of Independence, which not only declared our independence from Britain, but it established the birth of our great nation. 

Happy Birthday America!  Don't give up...

Permalink Reply by Wright Winger on July 4, 2012 at 10:42am

http://www.infowars.com/can-americans-escape-the-deception/

Permalink Reply by Wright Winger on July 4, 2012 at 12:44pm

http://www.infowars.com/liberty-lovers-mourn-this-independence-day-...

Permalink Reply by Jim Haagenson on July 4, 2012 at 1:28pm

I will stand with all of you and defend the priciples of the Declaration of Independece openly and without reservation.  I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies and I welcome those who will join us despite the risks and fears.  People who are afraid to say that openly using their own names don't deserve the freedoms that go with the obligation to protect them.

Permalink Reply by Patty Smith on July 4, 2012 at 2:10pm

Well said Kinana! As for Wright winger, I have held my tongue long enough with you. Drop it with the neocons. We have a hell of a mess and we all need to stand together and fight as one. Everyone in positions of power needs to uphold the Constitution. Today we celebrate the signing of the Declaration of Independence, if you want to sit home and bad mouth others, knock yourself out. We will prevail, We are Americans! And if you have a problem with that statement, your problem, not mine. God bless America and the patriots that will stand up and defend her!

Permalink Reply by Wright Winger on July 4, 2012 at 3:31pm

Wow, thanks Patty. If you reread my comment, you will realize that I badmouthed no one (minus the neocons... you know what they are ... right?)

Whether it's a Wilsonian progressive or a neoconservative, both are responsible for the mess. If you find that offensive, then I am not surprised. Many "conservatives" do not want to look behind the curtain and go deeper. I most certainly will not "drop it" with the neocons and I find your close-minded attempt at bullying typical... are you not able to discuss politely on this topic? Do I not have the right to engage in this topic of discussion? Will you please forward me topics you find acceptable so as to not offend you?.... that would be helpful. How does one "work" with the neocons besides purging them..... elect them?... and support them all the while knowing the incredible damage they do (and have done) to the Republic? The neocons do not uphold the Constitution as I clearly evidenced in the above comment and in many past post, to argue such is folly.... and frankly, pollyanish. 

"Thanks" for letting me sit this one out.... it's very sweet of you. I take no issue with anyone who chooses to celebrate the 4th (unlike you, who ask me to squelch my first amendment rights... ironic on this day... huh.) Again, if you reread my comment, my feelings and attitude towards it were mine and mine alone.... I choose to reflect, pray, and resolve to do better (and more) in defense of a Republic slipping away.

Permalink Reply by Kinana Nadir on July 6, 2012 at 12:33am

Thank you for your comments.  I am glad it resonated with many of you.  WW I hear what you are saying and am still learning.

Permalink Reply by Wright Winger on July 6, 2012 at 10:37am

Kinana.... I learn all the time as well. Your contributions are valuable and I have appreciated and learned from your knowledge and experience with Islam.